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novograd 17/08/2019 10:02 pm hmm

novograd 17/08/2019 10:02 pm but for that points humans good for other class

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:02 pm also a resource from the map can offer to build the town cavalry building

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:02 pm i had 5 knights by turn 14

novograd 17/08/2019 10:02 pm ok let's try

novograd 17/08/2019 10:03 pm I just don't have to do mistake

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:03 pm (:

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:03 pm join in - game is up

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:04 pm i think this fast pace game settings actually help theo and rogue

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:05 pm yeah - who came up with that idea?

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:05 pm at least 1 turn earlier research for rogue and up to 5 for theo

novograd 17/08/2019 10:05 pm I totally agree

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:05 pm i was not following all the chat as i was on PF hype ...

novograd 17/08/2019 10:05 pm I joined and selected

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:05 pm it was a surprise when we started the last tournament

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:06 pm good luck and have fun (; game started

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:06 pm it was never really discussed as far as i remember

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:06 pm ...

novograd 17/08/2019 10:06 pm gl

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:06 pm since when are we doing this never discussed thing

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:06 pm yeah, thats why i say i cant remember it

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:06 pm

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:07 pm maybe it happened but i cant think of it

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:07 pm as im opposed to it, if it wasnt clear

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:07 pm me too ):

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:08 pm good luck novo and Sin, you will need it

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:09 pm lets play y turn in the pf and also get my ass whooped

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:11 pm (:
the game we are doing on PF is far from won - i don't even feel like winning or leading to be honest

Sin Arcain 17/08/2019 10:11 pm Thank you, I know I need it.

novograd 17/08/2019 10:12 pm isn't tigran too strong?

Sin Arcain 17/08/2019 10:12 pm I am going to hit the bed now. Good night.

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:13 pm GN!

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:13 pm see you around (:

novograd 17/08/2019 10:13 pm I think that's worst starting zone monsters

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:14 pm tigrans are nice for sure

novograd 17/08/2019 10:14 pm pounce so discusting

novograd 17/08/2019 10:16 pm btw what is the benefit for debug mod?

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:22 pm can check why the game crushed and provide logs to judges and developers

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:22 pm i like the tigrans for the sunguard

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:23 pm and only like them for necro

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:23 pm never used them in other classes

novograd 17/08/2019 10:23 pm oh

novograd 17/08/2019 10:23 pm I will try it too

novograd 17/08/2019 10:23 pm debug mod

novograd 17/08/2019 10:24 pm I had 2crash this week

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:25 pm tigrans are terribly weak in auto combats, but when you fight manually they are quite decent

novograd 17/08/2019 10:27 pm but they jump to my range units and gard

novograd 17/08/2019 10:27 pm guard

novograd 17/08/2019 10:27 pm very hard to kill

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:27 pm AI is not very smart

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:27 pm make them jump one by one and on the target you choose (;

novograd 17/08/2019 10:28 pm not very smart yes but just jump attack and defence too hard

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:28 pm their reach exposes them, just offer one hard unit to be hit while in defense and the rest will be one turn away

novograd 17/08/2019 10:29 pm in that case that hard unit will be attacked

novograd 17/08/2019 10:29 pm others save

novograd 17/08/2019 10:29 pm and then?

novograd 17/08/2019 10:29 pm I can't kill them all for 1turn

novograd 17/08/2019 10:29 pm while guarding

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:31 pm kill the closest one (use shooters from distance) - let the rest close-in (also use 1 unit to split them)

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:31 pm you are rarely playing vs more than 2 of those

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:31 pm Hiliadan made some great videos on fighting AI on youtube

novograd 17/08/2019 10:32 pm so you think can kill 2 chariot+sun guard+cheetah>

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:32 pm easy fight on turn 1

novograd 17/08/2019 10:32 pm hmm now I'm in trouble with that

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:32 pm you have 2 heroes = 2 chariots

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:34 pm Guys, you spammed so much I can't even see the first post as we reached the chat limit (and yeah it seems it's a bit buggy today and Markymark is not there)

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:35 pm The Fast speed settings WAS discussed like all the settings of tournaments but nobody contributed except I think phirpo and El Lobo. The idea was to nerf MC strategy by making production faster. As before, I don't think Theo or Rogue really need Bards or Evangelists to win, they just need their Leader. And they don't get their skills sooner with Fast speed so I'm not convinced the settings help MC strategies

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:35 pm @Hiliadan, when chat is inactive its a problem, when too active also a problem!

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:36 pm https://forum.paradoxplaza.co... I even asked people to try the Fast speed several months in advance of the tournament and give feedback

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:36 pm you might be right with your hypothesis, but with cheaper research bards and eveangelists are coming out quicker, thats a fact

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:37 pm Sorry if i missed this, i would have vited against

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:37 pm As for Human Rogue (or other class), one key advantage they have is the +10 production racial bonus. That makes several units buildable in 1 less turn with other races. For Martyrs for instance, it's very interesting

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:38 pm Yes, they do come sooner but so do Warbreeds or Cannons. And Bards and Evangelists are still as slow as ever. Overall I'm not sure about the settings as I've played only 1 game with it

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:40 pm Was that in SP or here? My first game was the tournament match and now vs novograd

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:41 pm The round 1 game vs Markymark

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:41 pm and my tournament was as a DN and now as a Necro

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:41 pm OK, i see

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:42 pm Sorc ight be the strongest with fast

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:43 pm all around benefits

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:47 pm Other potential advantages of Fast are to lower the advantage of clearing Sphinx Temples (vs building Research buildings) and it speeds up games. But the additional speed is probably only useful in duels, and not so much in 2vs2 or larger maps

xlnt 17/08/2019 10:48 pm i was too distant from AoW3 and didn't pay attention to the fast idea ): not sure this is a good balance move as it tries to limit what few of the great players here do (well... do VERY well) - fast hero level

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:48 pm dont agree with that xlnt

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:49 pm that will never go away

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:49 pm and actually in a normal game, you are better off with a champion 5 or a lvl 13

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:50 pm than a lvl 13*

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:51 pm If it's a Troll yeah, if it's a Kobold, not so sure

marcuspers 17/08/2019 10:51 pm t2 cav i was thinking, roughly same xp needed

novograd 17/08/2019 10:55 pm about that fast reseach, I just think sphinx temple guarding is just too weak compare to others

novograd 17/08/2019 10:55 pm no one argue about wizard tower ruin..

novograd 17/08/2019 10:56 pm it's just a little bit stronger than hard flow querry

novograd 17/08/2019 10:56 pm and really good gain

Hiliadan 17/08/2019 10:57 pm Yes, it depends on your class/race but you're right overall. Some class/race suffer a lot from it and the Watcher(s) can be very dangerous

novograd 17/08/2019 10:58 pm low resistance for sure

novograd 17/08/2019 10:58 pm so should modify monster set also

novograd 17/08/2019 10:59 pm add some physical set will be far

novograd 17/08/2019 10:59 pm fair

marcuspers 17/08/2019 11:45 pm perhaps the pheonix could add some variety

marcuspers 17/08/2019 11:45 pm would work well with combat spell

marcuspers 17/08/2019 11:46 pm golden dragon perhaps too much

xlnt 17/08/2019 11:53 pm nice chat tonight (: see you guys around

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